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Joel:
This is the Gameday on Rocky Top podcast episode one fifty eight. I'm Joel Hollingsworth and I'm with Will Shelton, will we? Okay. So the Florida game after right after the Florida game, I had said I think it was on this podcast that Tennessee had done the impossible, that they'd gone into a game with low expectations and failed to meet them, sort of making a joke, you know, but it was kind of kind of true. And then last night against the number three Georgia Bulldogs were recording this Sunday night. So I'm talking about Saturday night. Of course, they kind of did the impossible. Again, they they they were huge underdogs. I think it was at kickoff. It was like a twenty five and a half point spread. They failed to cover it. And yet we kind of came out of the game kind of feeling that everything was a little bit better. And that seems to be not just me, but sort of the theme among the media and some of the fans. So what do you think? Do you feel that same way? Or are. Am I just in my own little bubble here?

Will:
Oh, no, I don't think you're in the bubble at all. I a piece I'm working on for tomorrow. I said that. You know, the answer still needs to be after every game. We need more data that needs that needs to still be the answer. Like we go into these games knowing, OK, whatever happens here, there's gonna be another one that's going to tell us a little more about what's going on and a better one, too, than playing number three, Georgia. So we need to remember eyes by we I mean, I I need to remember after Florida. Yes, we need more data. We know we don't have enough. It's only been 16 games, whatever. And after a performance that I think does make all of us feel better about things, we need more data. Let's let's see where this goes and all that. So I don't think I liked what you wrote. I don't think we have to define it as a turning point. Capital T. Capital P. It feels a little bit to me like the Oklahoma game in 2014. So when you have a game like that Oklahoma game in 2014, where I don't know, on the front end, we'd have to get in a time machine and go back five years. If on the front end you said Oklahoma is gonna beat you by twenty four. Well, I don't know that we're gonna feel great about that. And certainly on the front end of this thing, if you said, hey, there's gonna be another four plus possession loss, you know, even if you gave us the same weirdnesses having against Georgia two years in a row where the score gets inflated by a fumble, ran back for a touchdown it at the end of the game, you know, that makes three possession of the into a four possession of air.

Will:
But I think that's. There is now some excitement just because of the nature of the quarterback position itself. Bauer did a thing that I don't even think Garen Tanno could have done this year because he's a redshirt junior that could be a graduate transfer. He could could've gone early to the NFL, that sort of thing. I've been saying for months and months and months, even before the loss of Georgia State, that Jeremy Pruitt s fate isn't going to be decided by Jarrett Guarantano, good or bad. But I just think we all assumed that Harrison Bailey or some other recruit would be the one that helped decide that fate and not Brian Mauer. But once you see Mauer, you enter into this this new realm of possibility opens up that this guy could possibly possibly be an answer for you at quarterback in future years when Pruitt really needs to come through. When when the rent's going to come due on this guy, maybe maybe you've got a guy that possibly could be the quarterback in that situation.

Will:
And that just makes you feel a whole lot different there. At least it does for me about a lot of the other young guys, because if we can, at least in pencil, write in Brian Bauer, question mark at quarterback. Now I'm starting to feel better about some of the other pieces where before it was like, hey, Eric Gray is great and Toto is great. And all these guys like, is it gonna matter if we can't find a quarterback? It's not going to matter if Tennessee can't find guys to get to the defensive linemen, to get to the passer and I going to matter. So there's still plenty work to be done. We need more data, but just the nature of what some semblance of hope for present and future. Most importantly for Tennessee right now, some semblance of hope at the quarterback position makes a lot of this feel very different to me. Did you I mean, you know, you talked about last week, you thought, let's keep playing Garen's Hannah. Let's let's get the crumbs and turn around. Cheney's done that before. How how did you experience all this with with Mauer? Because I was I was more. OK, well, let's at least, you know, it'll spark some interest, that kind of stuff. What was your take on? That's the emotion of that whole seeing the backup come in and play well.

Joel:
Ok. So it's like you're reading my notes here because that's actually

Will:
Ok.

Joel:
My next question

Will:
This

Joel:
Here.

Will:
Is a long term relationship, you and I,

Joel:
They

Will:
You

Joel:
Can't

Will:
Know.

Joel:
Finish each other's sentences here. So I don't have this actually all the way planned out. So you're going to have to bear with me and just listen to me, try to formulate it on the fly. OK. But there's a lot of optimism coming from that change. And I am all for that. I was glad to see the guy play well. I'd rather be wrong and have the team play well than be right and have haven't be bad. Right. But here's the thing. What? After Florida, after they lost Franks, we were having this conversation about Tennessee and backup quarterbacks. Right.

Will:
It's.

Joel:
You know, I'm going,

Will:
No.

Joel:
But.

Will:
I'm intrigued.

Joel:
Ok. So we're having this conversation. We're like, oh, no. You know, Tennessee's got to play a backup quarterback and ask the question, what is it about backup quarterbacks that sort of do a team in in? It's kind

Will:
Yeah.

Joel:
Of it's kind of like one or two things. It's it's either the juice because the guy comes in and he's you know, he's still got all these hopes and dreams, none of which have been dashed. Right. And he's excited. He comes in with this huge level of enthusiasm and inspiration and motivation. He's he's juiced. Right. And then the rest of the team is like, oh, no, we got we get this brand new guy and we we better play well to to make up for any mistakes he might make. Right. So it's the extra juice, not just the quarterback, but the rest of the team. And then also the other thing is that the defensive game plan basically goes out the window, at least when the guy comes in in the middle of the game or before you know that he's going to play. Right. You've never seen the guy, especially if he's brand new. You haven't seen the guy play. You don't know what he does. Well, even if they're going to play the same system, he might be faster. He might be shift year. He might make different decisions and different scenarios and things like that. So you got the juice and you got the the destruction of the defensive game plan.

Joel:
And then I think you brought up that. Oh, don't worry, because a lot of times these guys don't generally play that well the next game. And the rationale behind that is you lose a little bit of juice if they've lost. But mostly the defense now has something to look at, something the game plan for. And now it's the new quarterback who has to adjust on the fly. OK. So so here's what I'm thinking. Did that happen to Mauer in the second half? And is it going to happen the next game or for a couple of more games? So I think that Cheney and Pruitt in the in the coaching staff, they have this dilemma. They've got two quarterbacks that are sort of at this plateau and you don't know whether or not they can get any higher. So you got Garen Tanno. And I still think the guarantee antenna's only problem is that he's still getting used to Cheney. And I think that it would just take another couple of games for him to get there. But what's the you know, what's the benefit of that? Maybe we get to a bowl game and maybe next year we go in thinking that we can get eight wins and then he's gone.

Will:
Right.

Joel:
Or do you go with Mauer? And his challenge is that he's got to learn how to play well when the other team isn't surprised anymore. They know what you're going to do. And that's that's a that's a big leap for a guy to make. And I think he can do it. But how many games is going to take? I don't know. But he does have more time. All right. So, anyway, I was wondering what you thought about all of that in which you would choose. Although I also have to say in my notes as I was abbreviate and all the stuff I was using, j.g, you know, because they call tanno j.g. Right. And I made a mental note to not call Brian Maurer B.M..

Will:
Right. Yes.

Joel:
I don't think

Will:
That's.

Joel:
That's a good idea.

Will:
No, that's that's not a good idea. I've been trying to find a way to tie him into Jack Bauer. Brian Bauer

Joel:
Oh,

Will:
And Jack

Joel:
Okay.

Will:
Bauer, but

Joel:
That it work.

Will:
Not have nots. I just really loved that show

Joel:
Added to.

Will:
And I anyway, that has not come to me, but. OK. So

Joel:
But not B.M..

Will:
I've I've I would write I was trying to make some joke about Jack Bauer saying there's no time. But even that is not. It's late. I've been traveling this. We can go braves. But anyway, I think a couple things about that. One, after we talked on the podcast, I did pull those numbers and we wrote this on Friday of here's what Tennessee quarterbacks have done as mid-season replacements in their first starts. And if you didn't read that,

Joel:
I read

Will:
It was

Joel:
It.

Will:
Terrible like the last four guys. Tanno against South Carolina in in 2017 at a point when Tennessee was still you know, it was three and two, they had just gotten whacked by Georgia. But three in two. It was not everything was lost. And Tennessee didn't score a touchdown. Lost fifteen to nine. And most of his whole stat line was on the last drive where they came down and almost scored, but they didn't. So Guantanmo, no touchdowns lost. Fifteen to nine. DOBs at Missouri, when we spent a lot of time, we saw DOBs in the second half against Alabama. And Missouri, that's the first year that they the first of their two back to back division titles. So even though they were ranked ninth, we weren't buying Missouri. That's the infamous five to 30 percent chance of winning a game for long time readers of the site.

Joel:
I love that game.

Will:
And we spent all week I remember going on Sports 180 on that Friday and being like, I feel like people are coming up to me and saying things like, he doesn't have to be Michael Vick. But I'm like, dude, it's don't don't even put him in that same strategy. It's one freshman guy against a top ten defense in his first start on a team that's been kind of bad all year. So I think we talked ourselves into a lot of the idea of DOBs, which came true eventually, but not against Missouri. They lost thirty one to 3, didn't score a touchdown. Peterman, no need to go into that again against Florida. Certainly Worley came in and led touchdown drives, but Peterson did not. And then Worley at a real at a crucial juncture for their dooly when breh is hurt. You've just gotten waxed. Back to back by LSU and Alabama. Here's South Carolina, who is a top 15 team, and they burned Worley's red shirt. So now let's go ahead and start him. And Tennessee lost 14 to 3. They had a they were had an interception at the five yard line and had a chance to take the lead. And Worley threw it right back to them. And then South Carolina went on a 20 play drives it. Folks who remember I was there. It was awful. And South Carolina won 40 to three. So all that to say, the standard for what Tennessee quarterbacks have done in their first start as a midseason replacement was excruciatingly low. So when Mauer came in and threw a touchdown on the sixth snap, it it changed that.

Will:
And then when it wasn't a fluke, I thought, OK. You know, Cheney found himself in coverage. Good double move by Callaway. Good job. By now, I put it on the money. Maybe we snuck one over on him then. The rest of it, you know, really validated the idea that just in comparison to other Tennessee quarterbacks in a similar situation, some of whom went on to be Nathan Peterman, one of them went on to become Josh Dobbs. Mauer did much, much better. The next question which I'll research and write for this week is what do those guys do in their second start? I know Dobbs was Auburn in that death streak of playing a bunch of top 10 teams. Tennessee scored twenty three points of that game. They did give up fifty five, but there was at least some life there. Peterman never got a second shot. I think Worley played like CSU or some like that. What's it got to go back and look at all that? But anyway, there is there's yeah, there's a part of me that is concerned that what we saw in the second half was Georgia figuring him out. And that juice and that surprise element won't be there against Mississippi State. One of my biggest hopes is that everything that we thought about this team at the start of the year, not not we know every one picked Tennessee to go to a ballgame. Everyone was thinking this is a six win team. At least not many folks thought they were a, you know, six or seven. That was everybody's thought. So is there a school of thought here where if you just get adequate quarterback play doesn't need to be spectacular? Because Mauer I mean, he was spectacular in the first half.

Will:
That was spectacular. And then the second half was below average. So if you just get adequate, if you get the mixture of those two things, you just get adequate the rest of the way against South Carolina. Alabama's only opportunity slash don't get hurt. And then the rest of that schedule depending on what's going on with Kelly Bryan at Missouri. Then is Tennessee the rest of the team going to look like a six or seven win football team with adequate quarterback play? I'm hopeful for that. The problem with that is one of those six or seven wins is always going to be Georgia State. I still think, you know, I think if they got to five and seven, that would be an accomplishment. It wouldn't feel that way. But I think if they if they get from one and four to five and seven, knowing that one of those losses is going to be Alabama, I think I think that would be a good job at this point. So I don't know to downplay five and seven or pooh-poohed or anything like that, but I'm just hopeful that that not just for the future expectations of what Tennessee might have, but just for the present that the rest of those pieces, enough pieces to be a six or seven win football team if you beat Georgia State and ah, have been there all along. We'll see again. We need more data.

Joel:
I have missed what's going on with Kelly Bryant. What can you fill me in on that?

Will:
Got hurt in the Missouri game and I don't know the status of that injury, so I have not I've that that may be out by the time people notice or listen to this on Monday. But at the time you are talking, I don't know what its statuses.

Joel:
That's that's a big deal. I mean, that's you know, they're there. Do they have any backup? How did the backup do once he got hurt? Any idea?

Will:
I don't know. I read about it when Bill did the S.P. ratings this morning. He was talking about Missouri's defense, how well Missouri had played after the Wyoming game, but that everything was kind of riding on if Bryant's could go and what that would be like. So I don't know.

Joel:
I did see that they snuck into the top 10 and SB Plus.

Will:
Yeah. Yeah. Not I mean. So the conversation we we're going to want to have here is. If we need to take this in small doses, Tennessee needs to see if they can beat Mississippi State, if they can beat Mississippi State, then we'll play Alabama. Bad things will happen. But after that, then we can have the larger conversation, which is going to be if they beat Mississippi State, you get one freebie. After the Alabama game of Tennessee, Mississippi say there would be two and five, which means you got one loss left if you want to be bowl eligible. Missouri is just operating on a different level than the rest of those teams on Tennessee's schedule. There is the scheduling component itself where Tennessee is on a bye week and Missouri is coming off plan. Georgia and Florida back to back. So that helps. But I know we just talked about it. I know we're not used to giving Missouri as much credit because they're Missouri and they're new to the conference. And I know that they're Dooley is there. And that makes us also want to give them less credit than they deserve. But Missouri's pretty good. And that's so when we say if they beat Mississippi State and they lose Alabama and we say, all right, well, you know, they need to. They've got one freebie that's probably going to be the freebie. So now you're asking them, can they run the table against South Carolina, UAB at Kentucky and Vanderbilt to get the six? Maybe. But in a week that that conversation, we don't need to talk about bowl eligibility this week. I think we need to talk about Mississippi State and let's start there and just see this is still a team that lost the Georgia state. Let's see. Let's let's see what they can do. Mississippi State's coming off the by men. Those guys looked awful against Auburn. So we'll see if this was a big fat data point already before Mauer gave you the possibility that he might be an answer not just for this fall. So.

Joel:
Yeah, they I I haven't looked actually at the spread yet. My. I did run my machine quick this morning and it it liked the Bulldogs by like 15, which I think is high, but it's probably seven would be my guess. I'll look that up in a minute. So what do you think the danger is of of getting Mauer put through the wringer a little too early, you know? I don't know whether I just feel bad for Garran Tanno. And I think this old juice thing. I think it's hard to keep your juice when you have three seasons worth of disappointment. You know, nothing like that can sap your juice any better than that, right? So what what happens with Mauer if he says he's going to lose to Alabama? Probably look terrible, but you know, everybody's survived that. But if he does get through this season and loses all of them, but UAB or all of them, but UAB and one other, does that do any lasting damage to him that we'd have to work to overcome next year? Do you think?

Will:
Good question. And there's really no. We're in uncharted water with with Tennessee in terms of that kind of losing, because the only quarterbacks that have done it are half of Quint Dormandy and half of Jarrett Guarantano. So we don't have anything to compare it to at Tennessee historically, if you're talking about like a 3 and 9. Obviously, that's never happened before. So and even DOBs, you know, DOBs didn't win much when he came in there. But Dobbs's is losing to the second half of Alabama. Number nine, Missouri, the Auburn team that almost won the national championship. You know, Dobsons losing that game and he regressed. We talked about before he game against Vanderbilt at the end of the year. I thought he would never, ever be the answer quarterback for Tennessee. So I think some of it is that I just also the messaging we talk about feeling bad for and tanno the messaging between the seniors on this team and the freshmen just has to be so different. I mean, Garran Tanno is a redshirt junior. He signed and was present here. In 2016? Yeah. Like he was on the team in 16 as a red shirt, so he was around for all of that stuff, same as a Jauan Jennings was around. So he knows what it's like to be at Tennessee when you at least for the first half of the season are chasing a national championship. Or at the very least, and s._e._c East Championship. And now here at the end, you know, there's a bunch of guys on this team who their whole they were recruited to and are now playing through the sense of we're building it, we're building it, it's come in, we're working hard.

Will:
We know we just lost by 20 whatever for the X number of times in a row or whatever. But it's come in. We're building we're we're going to lot of these guys. Joe, I know you're not on Twitter, but a lot of these guys are tweeting today as if I'm sure someone told them to thank you to the fans. We're working hard to get players are tweeting. Thank you to the fans. We're working hard. Don't give up on us, that sort of thing. So in that sense, I feel bad for Tanno because he's you can't sell that to him. You know that literally it's not just what he signed up for. It's not what he experienced his first year at Tennessee. And it's not what he experienced when Dormandy got picked to start over him against Georgia. Georgia Tech in 2017. And so, you know, he's he's from that mindset and it just hasn't paid off. So can Mauer take some lumps and then come out of it on the other side knowing, well, this was just the basement and now we're going to build on it? I don't know if this is a 3 and 9 or worse situation three and that which would be three a night or two in 10 or one and eleven, then whatever warm fuzzies we have about now are going to go away. If he if he can't get a couple of those wins along the way.

Joel:
Yeah.

Will:
Otherwise, you know, even even if there look, even if they're four and eight but competitive after Alabama, then I think you can still say, look, we you know, we lost two games at the start of the year that we never should've lost that aren't on his rap sheet. And and we lost to Florida. That won't be the Gators if he played, but, you know, that's that's not on him either. And we're building it. I think that that can be OK, because that's still the message they're selling to everybody else on the team and in high schools that we're just building from here.

Joel:
Yeah, it's not just if the team goes three and nine, how does Mauer feel about it? It's what happens during the 3 and nine. Like you say, the warm fuzzies are gonna go away. It's gonna be worse than that. It's gonna be you suck. And we never should have recruited you, you know, and that's not fair. You know how he handles it. And you know, it's gonna it's gonna be key. Mississippi State is, by the way, a six and a half point favorite. So, again, my machine says we won't cover. But I kind of want to look closer at the underlying assumptions on that to see whether it makes sense. But how are you? I know it's it's only Sunday night right now. How are you feeling about Mississippi State? We can talk about it more later in the week. But how are you feeling right now about him?

Will:
What I want to say, and I'm afraid this is me believing something I want to be true instead of something that's actually true. I want to say it's a toss up. I would love to say that, you know, on the winning, I think I put 40 percent of the expected win total thing. But you know that it is closer to 50 that we just don't know. Mississippi State lost at home to Kansas State and then looked as bad. I mean, as bad as Tennessee looked against Florida. I thought Mississippi State was worse against Auburn.

Joel:
I think Cockburn's good, though, man.

Will:
Yeah, I get, but I mean, Florida, you know, I know it was close and close and close and a body blow to him and then Piron had a long run and so they went by eleven or whatever. But, you know, I think Florida's good

Joel:
Yeah, I think they're both

Will:
With

Joel:
Good.

Will:
This, which is not some consolation on Tennessee. Like that's a problem for us in the welcome, Arun. Hey, Dan Mullen is a good coach and these guys are good. And we have to play every year. So, yeah, I think they're both good. I think you're right. But what what. Auburn isn't is. Auburn is the best version of themselves that everyone thought they were the playoffs all burnt like that. That ain't it. But they I mean, that was a hot knife through butter against Mississippi State. So, yeah. Part of me wants to say this is a toss up crowd is fans are interested and invested. He hasn't been anybody but Chattanooga this year. And so you know this. We need a win of consequence. And this would be one at this point of the story. So there's lots of lots of folks are looking for reasons to believe on that. Also, it may be the sort of game where Tennessee does something dumb early. And Mississippi State jumps ahead. And now Tennessee thinks, oh, we're we just suck. We're bad. And we get into some of that. So I don't know. But there's nothing we need more data on. Mauer and Mississippi State has not done anything to inspire me to pick them on the road so that I don't know. Yeah. I mean, that's what my gut wants to say is this is a 50 50 toss-up situation.

Joel:
All right, so pop quiz, what was worse Tennessee's loss to Georgia state or the officiating crew in the third quarter last night?

Will:
At least I appreciated the officiating crews honesty. I appreciate that they didn't try to. The guy was like ever further discussion, we changed our mind. This

Joel:
Like 2 2

Will:
Just.

Joel:
Times in a row.

Will:
Yeah,

Joel:
Yeah.

Will:
It's just what happened. They need to make a face mask, needs to be a reviewable penalty. That's not hard. If we can review targeting and we can review passenger fares in the NFL, which is a terrible idea, but facemask is not a judgment call. I mean, I know officials are making it as a judgment call, but en route on review. There should be evidence, your honor, Like it, we should be able to figure that out so that that needs to be reviewable, but. Yeah. You know, I've. It felt like the substitute teacher coming into the classroom and being like, we're going to cross all the T's and dot all the I's baby and everything. That is a penalty. All of it's getting called tonight. So.

Joel:
Yeah. All in like 10 minutes. It was like every play there was a flag thrown.

Will:
Yeah. What haven't we called it? Yeah. Yeah. I

Joel:
And

Will:
Don't

Joel:
Then

Will:
Know

Joel:
There was.

Will:
The Blore, the root. The ref on the fumble, return for a touchdown, call some people some money. Tennessee covers the spread of that refs slip away. So,

Joel:
I have

Will:
You know,

Joel:
To I

Will:
That's

Joel:
Have to.

Will:
That's another friend. Like not not to go back and beat on Garen Tanno any more than we have in the past. But first and goal to 5 at the end of the game and you can't get in the endzone on four tries against Georgia's backups. It is a microcosm of what has been happening with him all season. And you know that that's just. I don't know when you say if we leave him and he'll eventually get it. I just I know he's playing with some backup wide receivers too. But man like that, there is just so little confidence with him in those situations compared to the throw Mauer made. I mean, that was bananas that throw and for for a freshman gets a number three team in the country. So, yeah, I just think confidence is worth a lot more than we're giving it credit for. And Bauers, I would think, still has to be high coming out of that and getting Santo just less so.

Joel:
That is probably true, although wasn't there a series of events that happened before that where we had three of our key guys go out on consecutive plays?

Will:
Offensive lineman, yes.

Joel:
Yeah, there were two two offensive linemen and then there was somebody else who was I don't remember, need to go back and look at that. But yeah, I mean, just then then they cut the Pruitt and he's like, you know, this faces like he can't even believe this is happening because losing all his guys on top of everything else.

Will:
Yeah, and that I mean, that matters. Bauer needs those guys to keep him up right here again, not against Alabama, but against teams like the one we're getting ready to play on Saturday.

Joel:
All right. Anything I missed freestyle freestyle will. I need a rap name for you.

Will:
I think that's. Sometimes on this pike, as we've talked about. Like here's the real worst case scenario. One teeny tiny I mean, not teeny tiny, but one kind of background best case scenario. Consider that all of your really great memories of Marquez Callaway other than catching a Hail Mary against Kentucky last year. All of your really great Marquez Callaway memories are either a punt return or they are associated with Quintin Dermody. Gehrt Tanno and Callaway. Like we never saw the Callaway that we saw against Georgia Tech. With Garran Tanno ever. And so I wonder if there's just something about that dynamic between the two of them or just something great about Mauer and Calloway. But that was refreshing to not have it just be the Jauan Jennings show and be like, oh yeah, this guy's really good. That kid's hemade on third down on the drive. That's the Jenning score. The touchdown on was an unbelievable catch to me. So I am hopeful that maybe Mauer brings out something in Marquez Callaway that for whatever reason, just Garen's and I wasn't bringing out. I would love for that. Calloway from the Georgia Tech game to show up here in the last half of his senior season.

Joel:
Yeah, I will say this, too. Mauer just seems faster, quicker twitch here. You know, the game is is going faster when he's in there. It's the juice. I

Will:
Yeah.

Joel:
Think it's the juice. Yeah. All right. Well, that'll do it for this episode of the Gameday on Rocky Top podcast. Thanks for tuning in. Do us a favor. Subscribe, give us a rating, leave a review. Bonus points tonight if you include in your review. The secret word B.M.. I think we're just gonna go with that. So.

Will:
I'm working on the Jack Bauer stuff. It's been a long time, but I've got a lot of I got a lot of that stored in my memory banks up there. So I'll have to see what I can what I can come up with.

Joel:
I love that show. I would watch. I think I've watched every single episode. It's great. I don't know why it went off, but it needs to come back on. It was great. I watched even it wasn't there. One without Kiefer Sutherland.

Will:
Yeah, I watched the one episode of that, then I was out, but it hit

Joel:
Oh, it was pretty

Will:
My

Joel:
Good.

Will:
Wife. My wife never watched the show. And then the one where he came back, we watched it together. And it was so much fun to watch that show with someone who had never seen 24 before because she was so nervous for Jack Bauer would be like, oh, he's gonna be fine. Like everyone else is in danger every episode and could die at any moment. But

Joel:
Yeah,

Will:
He's going to just fine. So

Joel:
It is.

Will:
That

Joel:
But

Will:
Season and she goes, what did you make me watch this?

Joel:
My wife is the same way. She can't stand all that anxiety is like it's a TV show, you know, it's gonna work, you

Will:
Yeah,

Joel:
Know?

Will:
That

Joel:
I mean.

Will:
Was that was the one. It wasn't the anxiety, it was the spoiler alert. You should turn this off and you've never seen any. 24. That's the one where Audrey dies.

Joel:
Ok.

Will:
That's Alex is like. Like, why? Why? Like, I got invested in these people and then they died. I was like, yes, this is the show. Welcome.

Joel:
Yeah, my my daughter was mad at me for recommending Odd Thomas to her, have you read those?

Will:
I have not.

Joel:
Ok. Dinard Koonce books. Whole series on Odd. Thomas Read. Really good stuff. But yeah, in the very first book is The Love of His Life Dies and she's so mad at me. And then she has to read like 15 more books in order to get the answer on that. But

Will:
I

Joel:
She she thanked

Will:
Do

Joel:
Me later.

Will:
A. I used to when 24 was on the air back in like this would have been like 0 3 0 4. Early on I was going to a worship service on Monday nights at Fellowship Church in Knoxville, Shoutouts of Fellowship Church in Knoxville, and Greg

Joel:
We

Will:
Pinkner, who was

Joel:
Wish

Will:
The pastor

Joel:
To go

Will:
There.

Joel:
There.

Will:
Did you really?

Joel:
Yeah, we did.

Will:
Greg pinkner employed there at the time.

Joel:
No, it was Doug Bannister.

Will:
He may still be on the step of the pinger was leading the college worship services hillarious is. I am a United Methodist pastor. His theology and mine are probably not going to get along all the time these days, but he used to like the worship service would end. It was on Monday nights and it would end at like 8:30. And he would always say some form of like, listen, don't hang out here. Like I'm trying to get home and watch 24 like don't's.

Joel:
Yeah.

Will:
Don't hang out here too long. Dude, you need to do and then leave because people tried to get out of here and watch Jack Bauer and I was one of those people. And so I always

Joel:
Yeah.

Will:
I always appreciate that.

Joel:
Yeah.

Will:
So.

Joel:
Love you. Get out.

Will:
Shout out. That's. Yeah. Shout out Fellowship Church.

Joel:
All right. So we're gonna change the bonus points phrase to Jack Bauer instead of being

Will:
Yeah, well,

Joel:
Jack

Will:
We'll find a way

Joel:
Bauer.

Will:
To work.

Joel:
Yeah. All right. So for Will Shelton, I'm Joel Hollingsworth. This has been the Gameday on Rocky Top podcast. All right, well. Oh, I was the one more thing I was going to say while we were actually still before the close. But yeah, that whole anxiety thing that you feel on 24 only feels that in a little house is like, is it going to be all right? So.

Will:
That's right.

Joel:
Yeah.

Will:
Yeah, I. I love. I never went back and watched because they were just they were always on. I did shut down when I was a youth director this season when the one that starts with. Everybody getting killed. President Palmer and Season 5, I think where the first episode everybody does. You know, and love. I was leading a youth retreat weekend and me and other chevre and we're like, we're watching this. Don't come. Bother's is the last night of the retreat. Everybody's tired. We're like, you talk to these other people from 8:00 tonight. Don't come, bother's. Then everybody dies. The first 50 minutes, you'll be like, hey, man, sharp, leave, leave, leave. No doubt. That was that was an events like maybe it's just the age you are at a certain time. But that stretch of years when twenty four and lost.

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